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		<title>By: Clare Tanner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clare Tanner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Amy
I thought you might be interested in our (no fees) poetry competition over at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bookhabit.com/competition&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bookhabit&lt;/a&gt;
Free entry, $2600 of prizes. Performance and written poetry.
Kindest regards
Clare</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Amy<br />
I thought you might be interested in our (no fees) poetry competition over at <a href="http://www.bookhabit.com/competition" rel="nofollow">Bookhabit</a><br />
Free entry, $2600 of prizes. Performance and written poetry.<br />
Kindest regards<br />
Clare</p>
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		<title>By: megalopoet</title>
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		<dc:creator>megalopoet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>per usual, i&#039;m late to the show. thanks for mentioning tilt press, amy! great post, as always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>per usual, i&#8217;m late to the show. thanks for mentioning tilt press, amy! great post, as always.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Joseph Gloviczki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Joseph Gloviczki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we agree, Amy. It is pretty impossible to make a living writing poems--but the architecture around poetry writing (especially teaching and publishing) does make it possible for the lucky few (the published and esteemed) to become, at least in some sense of the word, professional poets. 

Of course, there are plenty of reasons to do something and write poems in addition to that. Good presses and journals will continue to treat writers very well, though, and to publish fresh, exciting new work. I&#039;ve always thought that the rewards of poetry writing and reading had little to do with making money and more to do with satisfying my creative goals and connecting with a broader audience of likeminded individuals. 

Peter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we agree, Amy. It is pretty impossible to make a living writing poems&#8211;but the architecture around poetry writing (especially teaching and publishing) does make it possible for the lucky few (the published and esteemed) to become, at least in some sense of the word, professional poets. </p>
<p>Of course, there are plenty of reasons to do something and write poems in addition to that. Good presses and journals will continue to treat writers very well, though, and to publish fresh, exciting new work. I&#8217;ve always thought that the rewards of poetry writing and reading had little to do with making money and more to do with satisfying my creative goals and connecting with a broader audience of likeminded individuals. </p>
<p>Peter</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn I</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was labeled the next Maya Cagejiniantrout. 

Just a minute ago. 

By myself.

When I thought it up. 

That&#039;s pretty good, I told myself. 

You should write that in comments, I replied.

Nah, I said. That would be crass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was labeled the next Maya Cagejiniantrout. </p>
<p>Just a minute ago. </p>
<p>By myself.</p>
<p>When I thought it up. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty good, I told myself. </p>
<p>You should write that in comments, I replied.</p>
<p>Nah, I said. That would be crass.</p>
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		<title>By: amyking</title>
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		<dc:creator>amyking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter,

Yes, yes, yes, and yes.  Exactly.  I&#039;ve done the websites, run a reading series, promote other poets, interviewed and have been interviewed, etc.  Lots of venues.  I&#039;m sure my work with poetry and the books I&#039;ve published played an role in my own tenured-security.  But, many of these &quot;contests&quot; are suspect.  Young poets tend to see these &quot;contests&quot; as an only means, when they most certainly are the *least* of their means!  They should be an after-thought to the real work of getting one&#039;s work out there.  They are a gamble, at best, and while some are legitimate as far as what they promise (we&#039;ll publicize as much as possible to get as many submissions/entry fees as possible, and then we&#039;ll publish one book), I&#039;d say invest your hope and energy -- and cash -- in the other resources for promoting your work!  Research real publishers and the methods they use to determine what gets published, how much, how often, etc.  Put your work out there in the &quot;respectable&quot; and &quot;low&quot; places.  Where else does poetry belong?  Put it there, if you can.  But entering a lottery for poetry, well, you know.  

And as for those latter artists you note, actually, they make art -- yes -- but the capitalist machinery has a much easier time absorbing those art pieces as products and putting a price tag on them.  People want to hear music, they want to decorate their office buildings and houses, etc., but a poetry book is one of the least marketable of all of those art &quot;products&quot;.  In this culture, one can survive as a musician, sculptor, photographer.  But not as a poet.  Every poet I know has a &quot;real&quot; job.  Is it challenging to get your work out there and survive on selling it?  Sure.  But when it comes to poetry as a solo money-making venture, or just for sustainability, it&#039;s pretty much nigh-on-to impossible.  

Be well,
Amy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,</p>
<p>Yes, yes, yes, and yes.  Exactly.  I&#8217;ve done the websites, run a reading series, promote other poets, interviewed and have been interviewed, etc.  Lots of venues.  I&#8217;m sure my work with poetry and the books I&#8217;ve published played an role in my own tenured-security.  But, many of these &#8220;contests&#8221; are suspect.  Young poets tend to see these &#8220;contests&#8221; as an only means, when they most certainly are the *least* of their means!  They should be an after-thought to the real work of getting one&#8217;s work out there.  They are a gamble, at best, and while some are legitimate as far as what they promise (we&#8217;ll publicize as much as possible to get as many submissions/entry fees as possible, and then we&#8217;ll publish one book), I&#8217;d say invest your hope and energy &#8212; and cash &#8212; in the other resources for promoting your work!  Research real publishers and the methods they use to determine what gets published, how much, how often, etc.  Put your work out there in the &#8220;respectable&#8221; and &#8220;low&#8221; places.  Where else does poetry belong?  Put it there, if you can.  But entering a lottery for poetry, well, you know.  </p>
<p>And as for those latter artists you note, actually, they make art &#8212; yes &#8212; but the capitalist machinery has a much easier time absorbing those art pieces as products and putting a price tag on them.  People want to hear music, they want to decorate their office buildings and houses, etc., but a poetry book is one of the least marketable of all of those art &#8220;products&#8221;.  In this culture, one can survive as a musician, sculptor, photographer.  But not as a poet.  Every poet I know has a &#8220;real&#8221; job.  Is it challenging to get your work out there and survive on selling it?  Sure.  But when it comes to poetry as a solo money-making venture, or just for sustainability, it&#8217;s pretty much nigh-on-to impossible.  </p>
<p>Be well,<br />
Amy</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Joseph Gloviczki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Joseph Gloviczki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Amy, 

I agree with you that poetry does not make much money, but I think the picture that you paint is much too dire. There are (and have long been) avenues for poets to gain exposure. These include, and are not limited to, websites, readings, blogs, interviews, online radio shows and yes, even book contests. 

Granted, there are only a handful of winners every year. However, new (and wonderful) poetry is getting out into the world. And some of these poets (admittedly, the lucky few, but still) are getting the temporary and sometimes tenure-track positions. 

I&#039;m not saying the world is easy for the scholar-poet. Far from it. However, there are opportunities (especially for those with a book (or two) and an MFA to begin to make some money--usually in the form of teaching composition at small colleges or universities.

Poetry surely will never make you rich, and the system is far from perfect, but painters, sculptors, photographers and others face similar challenges--ones which have been, and will continue to be, present for the foreseeable future. 

Peter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Amy, </p>
<p>I agree with you that poetry does not make much money, but I think the picture that you paint is much too dire. There are (and have long been) avenues for poets to gain exposure. These include, and are not limited to, websites, readings, blogs, interviews, online radio shows and yes, even book contests. </p>
<p>Granted, there are only a handful of winners every year. However, new (and wonderful) poetry is getting out into the world. And some of these poets (admittedly, the lucky few, but still) are getting the temporary and sometimes tenure-track positions. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying the world is easy for the scholar-poet. Far from it. However, there are opportunities (especially for those with a book (or two) and an MFA to begin to make some money&#8211;usually in the form of teaching composition at small colleges or universities.</p>
<p>Poetry surely will never make you rich, and the system is far from perfect, but painters, sculptors, photographers and others face similar challenges&#8211;ones which have been, and will continue to be, present for the foreseeable future. </p>
<p>Peter</p>
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		<title>By: Karin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, and a wonderful resource. Thanks!

Karin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, and a wonderful resource. Thanks!</p>
<p>Karin</p>
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		<title>By: Shann Palmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shann Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, sistah!

This is an amazingly useful post.

Thank you so much!

shann</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, sistah!</p>
<p>This is an amazingly useful post.</p>
<p>Thank you so much!</p>
<p>shann</p>
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		<title>By: rachel mallinio</title>
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		<dc:creator>rachel mallinio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Amy! Thanks for mentioning Tilt Press (btw - we don&#039;t have a fee!!!!) I heart ya. - Rachel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Amy! Thanks for mentioning Tilt Press (btw &#8211; we don&#8217;t have a fee!!!!) I heart ya. &#8211; Rachel</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Dickow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Dickow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo, Amy!! Always telling the truth :)
Amities,
Alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, Amy!! Always telling the truth :)<br />
Amities,<br />
Alex</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Jane Reyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Jane Reyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Amy, thanks for this post. 

I have to shout out Susan Schultz and Tinfish Press, who published my second book, as well as one of many of Linh Dinh&#039;s books, and Craig Santos Perez&#039;s first book: http://www.tinfishpress.com/

BOA Editions reading period ends around the end of April. Thus far, communication with them for me has been very straight forward; the editors there are quite energetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Amy, thanks for this post. </p>
<p>I have to shout out Susan Schultz and Tinfish Press, who published my second book, as well as one of many of Linh Dinh&#8217;s books, and Craig Santos Perez&#8217;s first book: <a href="http://www.tinfishpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tinfishpress.com/</a></p>
<p>BOA Editions reading period ends around the end of April. Thus far, communication with them for me has been very straight forward; the editors there are quite energetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Collin Kelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Collin Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read at universities and in Europe -- as well as coast to coast -- and been paid for it, but I still have to keep the day job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read at universities and in Europe &#8212; as well as coast to coast &#8212; and been paid for it, but I still have to keep the day job.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Amy. There is a way forward through independent publishing. I publish myself through Lulu but there are others. It&#039;s free, fairly easy and I retain all the rights. This way I don&#039;t have to rely on masses of social networking or meeting the tastes of &#039;editors&#039;. Also, congratulations on having the world&#039;s longest blogroll, haha. Hope you are having a fantabulous day full of tiny miracles like unexpected flowers blooming,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Amy. There is a way forward through independent publishing. I publish myself through Lulu but there are others. It&#8217;s free, fairly easy and I retain all the rights. This way I don&#8217;t have to rely on masses of social networking or meeting the tastes of &#8216;editors&#8217;. Also, congratulations on having the world&#8217;s longest blogroll, haha. Hope you are having a fantabulous day full of tiny miracles like unexpected flowers blooming,</p>
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